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Myers Briggs. Thread starter Glycerine Start date Oct 20, Glycerine Guest. Keirsey has done an in-depth, systematic analysis and synthesis of aspects of personality for temperament: that included the temperament's unique interests , orientation , values , self-image , and social roles.
Whereas, Myers' brilliant simplifications of Jung's work facilitates the talking about four scales. Where did Carl Jung get his ideas about personality? Well, he had picked a few notions from other people and some common knowledge in Germany at the time.
He picked up "Extrovert" and "Introvert" from what had been around for years, a folk psychology notion that is was latinized by some German in around Most people easily recognize that there some people much more sociable than others, the parallel of "gregarious" and "shy" are related concepts in English.
Second, Jung probably borrowed the notion of tough-minded and tender-minded for William James when James discussed the mental aspects of the objective and subjective attitudes, while Jung visited with James in America. Carl Jung also discussed all kinds aspects of "the mind", and noticed that it appeared some people were better and felt more comfortable talking about abstract concepts and others seem to be better at talking about and felt more comfortable with the concrete: having to do with real objects and real people.
Lastly, Jung also talked about how "the mind" appears to make decisions, some people tending toward being judgmental and decisive and others being less judgmental and flexible, but that discussion is not very visible in his book Psychological Types, published in Jung's second contribution was to pursue Kant's notion of "intuition" and discuss several aspects of "the mind" that involved what the mind does: perceive and abstract from world and note that each person can vary inherently in their interest in doing those two acts.
Jung's third contribution was to collect a set of aspects of personality known previously and his own observations, in polar forms that seem to "cover" the space of possible "types" of people. The Myers-Briggs Type Indicator and Myers descriptions of personality did what no other personality instrument had done before, be able to give most people some insight into themselves and others.
In fact, many people are amazed that by asking a few questions, the MBTI can "capture" the essence of a person's view of the world. People are surprised how accurate the MBTI can be.
However, when using this simple tool of assessment and a way of viewing one's personality, if one looks closely, there several problems that crop up. First, people are more complex than just four numbers on four aspects of personality. But this is not the primarily problem with MBTI and Myers descriptions, this is true of all assessments, abstractions, or "theories.
No matter what the descriptions of personality are, they pale in comparison to the complexity of the individual.
Also, the problem is not that "type" or "temperament" does not change, for the person is "changing" all the time. The difference between character and temperament or type of the personality help distinguish between what 'changes' and what stays the same, this is true whether one uses the Jung-Myers notion of archtypes or function types or Keirsey's notions of character and temperament.
The primarily problem with Myer's method of description is the problem of trying to take the "personality" or more specifically what Keirsey calls "temperament" as opposed to Myers "type" and break it into four "independent" aspects. There is great utility in thinking about them as "independent" aspects, as people who follow the line of Myers are wont to do.
For example, some talk in terms that 'The "Ts" tend to be like this', 'the "Fs" tend to be like that'. The "Es" tend to be like this, the "Is" tend to be like that. This kind of talk is fine up to a point. This is where Keirsey and Myers-Jung followers part company.
The scales are not independent of each other. Those complications are another matter, irrespective of how to characterize "temperament". Later, psychologist David Keirsey named and described each of the 16 personality types.
In the above infographic, you can see how all these typologies overlap. Before reading any further, you are welcome to take the test here. Not all classifications of people are based on their entire personality, as if it were a monolith thing. There is a competing theory that classifies people by The Five Personality Traits resulting in an infinite number of combinations of degrees to which each person posseses these five traits.
David Keirsey expanded on the ancient study of temperament by Hippocrates and Plato. In his works, Keirsey used the names suggested by Plato: Artisan iconic , Guardian pistic , Idealist noetic , and Rational dianoetic. Keirsey divided the four temperaments into two categories roles , each with two types role variants.
For illustrative purposes, Keirsey and his son, David M. Keirsey, have identified well-known individuals whose behavior is consistent with a specific type. Supervisors are highly social and community-minded, with many rising to positions of responsibility in their school, church, industry, or civic groups. Supervisors are generous with their time and energy, and very often belong to a variety of service clubs, lodges, and associations, supporting them through steady attendance, but also taking an outspoken leadership role.
Supervisors like to take charge of groups and are comfortable issuing orders. They are cooperative with their own superiors, and they would like cooperation from the people working under them. Rank, they believe, has its obligations, but it also has its privileges. Comprising at least ten percent of the population, Supervisors enjoy and are good at making schedules, agendas, inventories, and so on, and they much prefer tried and true ways of doing things over speculation and experimentation.
Supervisors keep their feet firmly on the ground and would like those under their supervision to do the same, whether employee, subordinate, spouse, or offspring. Supervisors have no problem evaluating others and tend to judge how a person is doing in terms of his or her compliance with, and respect for, schedules and procedures. Supervisors are unbelievably hard-working.
Even as children they are industrious, and they usually respect their parents as authority figures. In school Supervisors are often model students, dutifully following directions, doing all their homework, doing it thoroughly, and on time.
And their industry and perseverance only become more important to them as they grow into adulthood and take on the responsibilities of job and family. Supervisors approach human relations along traditional lines. Marriage and parenthood are sacred to them, and they tend to have a large circle of friends, with many friendships faithfully maintained over the years.
Social gatherings and ceremonies have great meaning for them, and they look forward to holiday parties, club dances, weddings, class reunions, awards banquets, and the like. In social situations, Supervisors are friendly and talk easily with others.
Though they can seem a bit formal in their manners, Supervisors are pretty easy to get to know. At ease in polite company, they tend not to confuse people by sending double messages or putting on airs-what they seem to be, they are.
The one word that best describes Inspectors is superdependable. Whether at home or at work, Inspectors are extraordinarily persevering and dutiful, particularly when it comes to keeping an eye on the people and products they are responsible for.
In their quiet way, Inspectors see to it that rules are followed, laws are respected, and standards are upheld. Inspectors as much as ten percent of the general population are the true guardians of institutions. They are patient with their work and with the procedures within an institution, although not always with the unauthorized behavior of some people in that institution. Responsible to the core, Inspectors like it when people know their duties, follow the guidelines, and operate within the rules.
For their part, Inspectors will see to it that goods are examined and schedules are kept, that resources will be up to standards and delivered when and where they are supposed to be. And they would prefer that everyone be this dependable. Inspectors can be hard-nosed about the need for following the rules in the workplace, and do not hesitate to report irregularities to the proper authorities. Because of this they are often misjudged as being hard-hearted, or as having ice in their veins, for people fail to see their good intentions and their vulnerability to criticism.
Also, because Inspectors usually make their inspections without much flourish or fanfare, the dedication they bring to their work can go unnoticed and unappreciated. While not as talkative as Supervisor Guardians [ESTJs], Inspectors are still highly sociable, and are likely to be involved in community service organizations, such as Sunday School, Little League, or Boy and Girl Scouting, that transmit traditional values to the young. Like all Guardians, Inspectors hold dear their family social ceremonies-weddings, birthdays, and anniversaries — although they tend to be shy if the occasion becomes too large or too public.
Generally speaking, Inspectors are not comfortable with anything that gets too fancy. Their words tend to be plain and down-to-earth, not showy or high-flown; their clothes are often simple and conservative rather than of the latest fashion; and their home and work environments are usually neat, orderly, and traditional, rather than trendy or ostentatious.
As for personal property, they usually choose standard items over models loaded with features, and they often try to find classics and antiques — Inspectors prefer the old-fashioned to the newfangled every time.
Providers take it upon themselves to insure the health and welfare of those in their care, but they are also the most sociable of all the Guardians, and thus are the great nurturers of social institutions such as schools, churches, social clubs, and civic groups. Providers are very likely more than ten percent of the population, and this is fortunate for the rest of us, because friendly social service is a key to their nature.
Wherever they go, Providers happily give their time and energy to make sure that the needs of others are met, and that social functions are a success.
Highly cooperative themselves, Providers are skilled in maintaining teamwork among their helpers, and are also tireless in their attention to the details of furnishing goods and services. They make excellent chairpersons in charge of dances, banquets, class reunions, charity fund-raisers, and the like.
They are without peer as masters of ceremonies, able to speak publicly with ease and confidence. Providers love to entertain, and are always concerned about the needs of their guests, wanting to make sure that all are involved and provided for. Friendly, outgoing, neighborly — in a word, Providers are gregarious, so much so that they can become restless when isolated from people.
They love to talk with others, and will often strike up a conversation with strangers and chat pleasantly about any topic that comes to mind. Friendships matter a great deal to Providers, and their conversations with friends often touch on good times from years past.
Family traditions are also sacred to them, and they carefully observe birthdays and anniversaries. In addition, Providers show a delightful fascination with news of their friends and neighbors. Providers are extremely sensitive to the feelings of others, which makes them perhaps the most sympathetic of all the types, but which also leaves them somewhat self-conscious, that is, highly sensitive to what others think of them. Loving and affectionate themselves, they need to be loved in return.
In fact, Providers can be crushed by personal criticism, and are happiest when given ample appreciation both for themselves personally and for the tireless service they give to others.
We are lucky that Protectors make up as much as ten percent the population, because their primary interest is in the safety and security of those they care about — their family, their circle of friends, their students, their patients, their boss, their fellow-workers, or their employees. Protectors have an extraordinary sense of loyalty and responsibility in their makeup, and seem fulfilled in the degree they can shield others from the dirt and dangers of the world.
Speculating and experimenting do not intrigue Protectors, who prefer to make do with time-honored and time-tested products and procedures rather than change to new. At work Protectors are seldom happy in situations where the rules are constantly changing, or where long-established ways of doing things are not respected.
For their part, Protectors value tradition, both in the culture and in their family. Protectors believe deeply in the stability of social ranking conferred by birth, titles, offices, and credentials. And they cherish family history and enjoy caring for family property, from houses to heirlooms. Wanting to be of service to others, Protectors find great satisfaction in assisting the downtrodden, and can deal with disability and neediness in others better than any other type. They are not as outgoing and talkative as the Provider Guardians [ESFJs], and their shyness is often misjudged as stiffness, even coldness, when in truth Protectors are warm-hearted and sympathetic, giving happily of themselves to those in need.
Their reserve ought really to be seen as an expression of their sincerity and seriousness of purpose. The most diligent of all the types, Protectors are willing to work long, hard hours quietly doing all the thankless jobs that others manage to avoid. Protectors are quite happy working alone; in fact, in positions of authority they may try to do everything themselves rather than direct others to get the job done.
Thoroughness and frugality are also virtues for them. When Protectors undertake a task, they will complete it if humanly possible. They also know better than any other type the value of a dollar, and they abhor the squandering or misuse of money.
For all these reasons, Protectors are frequently overworked, just as they are frequently misunderstood and undervalued. Their contributions, and also their economies, are often taken for granted, and they rarely get the gratitude they deserve.
There are lots of Promoters — maybe ten or so percent of the population, and life is never dull around them. In a word, they are men and women of action. When a Promoter is present, things begin to happen: the lights come on, the music plays, the games begin.
Clever and full of fun, Promoters live with a theatrical flourish which makes even the most routine events seem exciting. Not that they waste much time on routine events. In work and in play, Promoters demand new activities and new challenges. Bold and daring at heart, and ever-optimistic that things will go their way, Promoters will take tremendous risks to get what they want, and seem exhilarated by walking close to the edge of disaster.
Because of this, they make the very best trouble-spot administrators and negotiators, and they can be outstanding entrepreneurs, able to swing deals and kick-start enterprises in a way no other type can. Promoters also have a hearty appetite for the finer things of life, the best food, the best wine, expensive cars, and fashionable clothes.
And they are extremely sophisticated in social circles, knowing many, many people by name, and knowing how to say just the right thing to most everyone they meet. Charming, confident, and popular, Promoters delight their friends and investors with their endless supply of stories and jokes.
At the same time, these smooth operators are usually something of a mystery to others. While they live in the moment and lend excitement — and unpredictability — to all their relationships, they rarely let anyone get really close to them.
They have a low tolerance for authority and commitment, and are likely to leave situations where they are expected to toe the mark, or where they must play second fiddle.
The nature of Crafters is most clearly seen in their masterful operation of tools, equipment, machines, and instruments of all kinds.
Most us use tools in some capacity, of course, but Crafters as much as ten percent of the population are the true masters of tool work, with an innate ability to command tools and to become expert at all the crafts requiring tool skills.
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